What's up with the neo-Nazi thing you've got going on at the moment?
I don't have a neo-Nazi thing going.
Doc Martens, bomber jacket, shaved head. You've changed.
I've always worn Doc Martens! You think I look like a skinhead?
A bit. When I met you you had a quiff.
That was a long time ago.
You've changed. I don't feel like I know you anymore.
Okay, real questions: So, David.
Okay, can we talk about being gay? I mean, are you 'out' in print?
Sure! Of course we can talk about that.
Are you sure?
It's just that you've got this ambiguous thing going on right now, and it works for you. I wouldn't want to jeopardize that.
What kind of ambiguous thing?
You know, like how women chase you because they don't know the deal. And the deal is you prefer men.
I know. I get along well with women, I love women, but it can only go so far. Sometimes it gets weird, I guess.
Don't try to do the spaghetti routine on me.
Oh, what's that? You boil the spaghetti or something?
Yeah, 'Men are like spaghetti: If you heat them up enough they'll bend.' You can't work it on me.
I've known you too long anyway.
Back to photography.
So, listen. You're doing some really good stuff. You're breaking some rules. I definitely feel like you're doing some new, different stuff.
Oh, good! Thanks!
You're primarily an artist, and that's really coming through in the commercial work you do, the fashion stuff. You're not doing typical fashion stuff are you?
I think that's the only way I could
approach fashion commercial photography. It's the same way I approach art making.
Is fashion photography drifting in a new 'looser' direction do you think?
Right now I think there's this great moment in photography that's just starting to happen again, where artists are actually being asked to do (fashion) jobs that are... true forms of art, in a way, y'know?
Is it difficult to marry fashion and art?
For me it's like fucking hell and back because it goes into a magazine, it reaches a huge audience, and I want to make a statement. I can't just shoot a model against a background. I mean, I could, but I'd rather do everything that people aren't doing.
You said earlier that you recently smashed your computer. Do you get angry like that often?
Well, I'm a little bit rough with my electronics to begin with. I'm just kind of a clumsy guy. I smoke weed and I'm always dropping things. I've dropped a lot of cameras in pools.
So the smashed computer was an accident?
You got any weed on you right now?
Right now? Ahh... no. I left it home.
Tell me about the book you've got coming out.
The book is coming out in September.
Who's publishing it?
Damiani. They're publishing my first book. I'm really excited! It feels really good, it's something I've always wanted to do.
What's in it?
It's like my body of work, I guess.
Yeah. It's been really interesting to put together because it is a range of everything. The images are all back-and-forth creating this... rhythm of photographs that all pertain to my life. It documents my life.
What's your daily routine like?
I wake up a lot earlier than I used to.
What time are you getting up?
I set my alarm for about eight, get out of bed around nine.
What are you doing in bed for an hour?
Lucid dreaming. I love that feeling of 'I can't get up' you know? And your mind starts wandering and you just keep yourself on the verge of falling asleep.
Yeah. Why are you into techno again?
Well, I used to go to raves when I was twelve, really young, I did acid and...
You did acid when you were twelve?
Yeah, I grew up in Woodstock and I'd sneak away and come to the city.
Yeah. I was on 20/20 with Barbara Walters.
At a rave?
Yeah. She was like "'Special K' is for Ketamine, 'E' is for Ecstasy, 'Coke' is for Cocaine."
And you were dancing around behind her and your mom saw it on TV?
That is supernaturally unfortunate.
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